After reading Roosh’s and Roissy blog for a while I’ve come to notice that alot of girls this common reaction of disgust/shock characterized often by disbelief that a guy could hold these views.
Now let’s do some simple reasoning here.
Roissy, Roosh, et al are extremely successful with women. In fact, by the notch or flag metric they are infinitely more successful (actually more correctly, the value for how much more successful they are is undefined) than I am.
I was raised to treat with respect and as equals. My mom always insulted stay at home moms and trophy wives as “procreating cows”. If a girl doesn’t have a college degree in a technical/scientific discipline I shouldn’t date her. I should value intelligence and personality above all else. So on and so on.
You know what that’s accomplished? Quite possibly the most cynical, jaded, and bitter perception of women you could imagine. Much worse than Roissy or Roosh. When I’m meet a girl for the first time, I usually make it a point to ignore her unless she’s in the 9 – 10 territory. I automatically assume she’s a lying slut and that anything that comes out of her mouth can’t be trusted. The only place I can interact with women on anything that’s remotely approaching a close to normal basis is the work place. The only reason this is possible is because I can work with the assumption that most of the stuff that will leave their mouth will make sense. At all other times if a guy says one thing and a girl says another and I have no background on either I will trust the guy every single time.
Now is this all just be me a chauvnistic misogynist pig? Nope, I’m a pretty simple and straightforward person. I (and I suspect most guys) operate very closely to being highly advanced risk/reward processors. They are nature’s best cost-benefit analysis machines.
I understand why women prefer assholes and jerks to nice guys. What I do not understand is why most of them cannot come to turns with it. This is not just isolated to this. Women repeatedly demonstrate, often on a large scale, that they have no clue what they want.
Yeah, I haven’t dated alot of women, but I have alot of female friends. An extraordinarily large amount actually, because I was a nice guy and listened to their bullshit (mostly in an attempt to try to understand them). I watch them make the same mistakes over and over again, then swear not to repeat them, then repeat them. Perhaps, I function as a biased sampling mechanism and have somehow only chosen girls that behave in this fashion, but when I read around on the internet and compare notes with friends this is only reinforced.
Here’s a short list of the things that I find are in conflict with women:
1) They think they want a nice guy
a) They think want a guy that will treat them with respect
b) They think that don’t really care about looks
2) They think that they are somehow different from most other girl out there.
3) They think that guys might possibly change significantly
4) They have skewed misconceptions of their own value. “You just can’t see what an amazing girl I am”
5) You think chick self-help lit, will actually help you.
6) You’re list of traits you want in a guy is usually out of touch with reality.
Roosh has written plenty about this already and has done a much better job than I could probably do.
Here’s an example:
Spungen said…
Roissy, why aren’t you linking to your blog? Irina, you must check it out before you take any of Roissy’s advice seriously. See what he really thinks about women.
And Roissy, being nasty to me in front of another woman probably isn’t the most effective way to defend yourself from charges of nastiness to women …
Back to your date, Irina: He sounds like an abusive, resentful jerk. He was probably trying to grab the upper hand right away through some bullying technique he read in the playa literature Roissy et al are into. In fact, he sounds like
this particular type of jerk. Check out the venomous assaults in the 200+ comments thread for an example of the Weasel contingent’s tactics.
Roissy’s response to Irina’s post was well thought out and logical. He analyzed the guy’s traits and postulated a hypothesis explaining the guys behavior. Female response? He’s a resentful jerk! He’s a player!
So now, I’ve seen some pictures of the girls Roosh has been with. Now, I haven’t seen any of these girls that proclaim that Roosh et al are wong (they claim because the hordes of male singles on the internet will descend on them). Personally I find that extremely vain. You think you’re so attractive that men will be flooding your inbox with messages professing their eternal love? Yuck. Ego.
Throughout all this one simple fact is missed. Players exist for the same reason the housing bubble came into existence. They’re extremely successful and lead a lifestyle many other guys are jealous of. Thus more and more guys become players. Apparently, even now the market is not saturated with players, because they’re still very successful.
This means that there are either alot of whores out there, or women simply repeat the same mistakes they make over and over again.
So as a guy, I’m forced to either be a player, get treated like shit because a girl thinks I’m nice, or completely remove myself from dating at all. What do you think most guys are going to choose? Women created this whole game thing through a lack of honesty and transparency. Players are essentially guys trying to understand women so that they can bang them easier.
Unless there is a major shift in overall female behavior (in this country), I don’t think it’s going to get better.
Disclaimer:
I support feminism, but at the same time I support it from a perspective that you must accept all the responsibility associated with it. That is why I’m pro-choice, but I think third tri-mester abortions should be illegal, except when the mother’s health is at risk.
I still respect women that deserve it. Currently a total of one.
